Not everybody has an experience like that of Paul, but don't disbelieve the idea that learning the truth is a mind altering revelation, because it is.

"Come out of her my people" which is saying come out of false religion is a drastic change in life. It was living a life in deceit and then learning the truth. Paul is a great example of having lived a life influenced by false religion before learning from Christ. What is so "profound" about that? Paul - Galatians 1:13 "For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:"

My answer did not say we are all going to be knocked off the road and blinded. That was your insert. My answer was simply, once a person becomes a true Christian they have left behind former ideas taught by false religion.

For example a true Christian does not observe the Mosiac law anymore but rather follows Christ and lives through his sacrifice.

Galatians 5:3-5
3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.


Here are some examples of changing your life the way it was before and becoming a true Christian. "Come out of her my people"
Ephesians 2:1-3
1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Romans 12:1-3
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

that is a very profound answer
and applied to the call to "get out of her my people" it must indicate that the call will be in the order of the mind altering revelation that Paul experienced?

Spiritual Jews. Read Romans 2:28-29.

these are all jews who come to the lord and help evangelize during the tribulation, there will be 12,000 from each tribe of Israel to equal the 144,000.this is found in the book of revelation. read it for yourself, i promise it is plain as day.

The Apostle Paul is a great example to answer this question. He killed Christians before he was knocked down on the road and shown the truth. Paul is one of the 144,000 and yet at one time in his life he was influenced by Babylon.

So to answer your question, some of the 144,000 were influenced by Babylon but they "come out of her, my people" Revelation 18:4.

do any of the 144k come out of babylon the great or have they always been free from corrupted religion

" they follow the lamb wherever he goes"

explaining how i understand that scripture with regard to the 144k

if the 144k were not a specific number but only a symbolic one, the how many kings and royal priests would there beruling in heaven?
and what purpose would they have if every Christian was to be part of that group?
every christian would be already saved from the second death there would be no need for such a rulership

Are you asking or explaining?

" but you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy"
1 peter 2:9

what is Peter saying

there is a chosen generation a nation of people

they are royal priests

they are his special people who were once not his people

they have obtained mercy by Christ
they are purchased

Luke 10:25-28
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

I want to go to heaven. I do not want to be left out. I want you to go to heaven too. Unworthy as the thief on the cross, I want paradise too.

God bless

All of the 144,000 are chosen and sealed during the time of the 6th seal which is the second coming of Christ and has yet to happen. When Jesus Christ comes he brings his reward with him (Revelation 22:12), the 7th seal is pulled and then the 7 trumpets begin to sound. The trumpets do not sound until after Christ’s second coming. This is the order of when things happen (see scriptures below).

Is it true that the Witnesses have elders and leaders of the Watchtower organization already selected as Saints? If so this seems presumptuous and maybe even arrogant, considering John’s prophetic explanation of when the Saints are chosen. Are we not to judge before the time whether it be life eternal, immortality, and even condemnation?

The truth is in the Bible.

Revelation 6:12
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Revelation 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 7:3-4
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 8:1-2
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

Daniel 2:44 Speaks of God's Kingdom. Matthew 24:14 Says: The Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth as a witness and then the end will come. In the first century part of the kingdom was chosen and now in our time the remaining 144,000 are being bought from the earth. Yahweh-Gods name in Hebrew or Jehovah is God's name. Jesus aka Yehoshua bought back what Adam lost as our original father. Ask for a free bible study from Jehovah's Witnesses if you're truly interested in learning The Truth. The truth will set you free.

Not everyone will go to heaven, but the promises of life eternal are available for everyone. The chosen 144,000 will be in heaven while the rest of the multitudes will live on a perfect peaceful earth. Sounds like reason enough to be a true follower of Christ do the best that you can to run your race and be grateful for wherever Christ and his Father place us in their kingdom.

"Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1 Corinthians 9:24-27

If there are only 144,000 going to heaven,then why should anyone try to make heaven their home?

Scriptures teach that the 144,000 come from all nations, including the Jewish nation. There is proof that some of the 144,000 are Jews as the Apostles are included in the 144,000 and it appears likely that Mary is also of the 144,000.

i believe and iam trying to teach this but also believe that the born again hebrew people are also included